Post 41n - The Lord Jesus Christ Desires that Each of Us Put Off the "Natural Man" and Face Life With a "Broken Heart and a Contrite Spirit!"

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Special Note: In this post I have again given you an opportunity of experiencing speeches from the 180th Semi-Annual Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You will find that in the seventh paragraph from the end of this post!

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TODAY'S THEME

(The Book of Mormon) Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

This Chilean Miner

 



and this other Chilean Miner Pray After Having Been Rescued After Being Trapped 69 days Deep Underground.



While listening to our local Radio Station (KSL 102.7fm, Salt Lake City, Utah (U.S.A.) Today, (October 14, 2010), it was reported that one of the rescued Chilean miners said during an interview after his being rescued along with 32 others:

"It's only when you find yourself in a bad place that you get yourself close to God."

One of the two miners pictured above may or may not be the miner who made that statement , but obviously both of the two miners shown praying in these two pictures are deeply grateful to God for being rescued. The quote given above might possibly represent the feelings of a good number of those rescued on that occasion.

I, Neil Birch, publisher of this blog, suggest that there are several other ways to basically say what that heroic Chilean Miner, whoever he was, had to say: My own suggestion is:

We need something to jar us some (or quite a bit), to wake us up to the realities of the downward path that we may already be on along with a large portion of people who are living in our day and time on earth. We need Our Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, to teach us more about how to turn to Them for guidance! Hopefully it won't take going through the type of dreadful and awful experience these two miners went through along with the 31 others who were with them, for each of us to fully realize that "we are in a bad place already."(spiritually speaking) We shouldn't wait until something tragic happens to us to get close to God! We each need to turn to God now!

Actually in some of my blog posts I have singled out incidents reported in the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, where people had been living contrary to God's will and didn't really realize it (like that miner who was quoted above) until something happened to help shock them enough to cause them to turn to God for help!

Although there are a good number of examples of those kinds of experiences in that sacred book I will give you just two examples from The Book of Mormon of that kind of "spiritual awakening."

I have told of this first incident three or four times throughout my posts in the two and a half years I have been publishing them:

Painting: Gary Kapp

Alma the Younger and the Four Sons of King Mosiah are Chastized by an Angel of the Lord -by Gary Kapp

Each of these five young men, sons of righteous fathers who had taught them to live righteously, had to be chastised by an angel to finally realize that they were in a "bad place" (equal, in a strong spiritual sense, to that in which those miners mentioned above, found themselves), so they could drastically change their lives!  The five of them had been actively leading people away from  God's Church and evidently greatly enjoyed doing so.

One of them, Alma (He is the one the angel is looking directly at), was the son of the Prophet, Alma the Elder, of God's Church in their land and the four others were sons of the king of the land. Here Alma (the younger) tells of what he experienced because of the angel's impassioned message:

Alma 36:15. Oh thought I, that I could be banished and become extinct both soul and body, that I might not be brought to stand in the presence of my God, to be judged of my deeds.

16. And now for three days and for three nights was I racked, even with the pains of a damned soul.

17. And it came to pass that as I was thus racked with torment, while I was harrowed up by the memory of my many sins, behold, I remembered also to have heard my father prophesy unto the people concerning the coming of one Jesus Christ, a Son of God, to atone for the sins of the world.

18. Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me, who am in the gall of bitterness, and am encircled about by the everlasting chains of death.

19. And now, behold, when I thought this, I could remember my pains no more.

20. And oh, what joy, and what marvelous light I did behold; yea, my soul was filled with joy as exceeding as was my pain! (emphasis added)

 Now those among you readers of this blog post who have read a good number of my posts (or read the Book of Alma in the Book of Mormon) will most likely have read of the complete turnabout each of these five friends made in their lives.

They are each listed now among the number of exceptionally successful missionaries among both the Nephite and Lamanite people of their day on earth. They helped bring many previously Lost Souls, (Spiritually Speaking) to the Lord Jesus Christ (who was yet to be born on earth) and into His church, which church they previously had been actively seeking to destroy.

Perhaps each of you readers of this blog post can see that Alma's and his four friends' experience in being in a very bad situation (Being chastised severely by an Angel sent by God) is evidence of the truth spoken by the Chilean miner:

"It's only when you find yourself in a bad place that you get yourself close to God."

Now I try to keep from making  these blog posts too long, but because this is such a crucial subject for each of us (We really don't want to be stuck in a spiritually bad condition in our lives) I will now quote from my post 33s.

The statement located just below the Picture of the Resurrected Jesus Christ that you will see next, was made by our Resurrected Savior, Jesus Christ from the air before the Nephites had actually seen Him.

He was introduced by Heavenly Father's voice! It occurred during the time of the thick darkness they found themselves in, which scientists say always follows in the aftermath of a such cataclysms which, in this case, completely wiping out many Nephite cities in ancient Central America, killing all of their inhabitants.

Those whose lives were spared were the more righteous Nephites but they too,  were experiencing a very bad time similar in many respects to what the Chilean miners in our day experienced.

These Nephites had been grieving for their fellow, but very wicked, Nephite friends and relatives who had been destroyed who lived in other cities, by the great cataclysmic destruction that had been brought upon them! [A.D.34] 

Scientists in our day verify that such cataclysms, although rarely occurring have occurred and those scientists have come to fathom the great magnitude of the destruction they wreak! Nearly Suffocating darkness afterwards is always a part of that.

The Resurrected Jesus Whose Voice the Righteous Nephites who were saved from destruction heard only at first! They saw Him later when the clouds of darkness had dissipated and he had descended from the sky to be with them! -by Harry Anderson

(Book of Mormon) III Nephi 9:18 I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

19 And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.

20 And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.

21 Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.

22 Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved. (emphasis added)

Here is another key verse from that same chapter: Each of us, you and I, can use the Book of Mormon as a guide to help us realize that just living here on earth where so many are living more wickedly, that all of us are in a bad place and have a great need to turn to God.

I'm sure most all of you are doing much good, but we don't fully realize how much wickedness exists in our world today. You and many others may be trying to keep yourselves out of that wickedness, but you could benefit and be more protected from evil by being active members of the Lord's Restored (Re-established) Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am so grateful for my membership in that Church as you can tell from what I say in the posts of this blog!

III Nephi 9: 11 And because they did cast them all out, (the prophets and Saints that He had sent among them to call them to repentance) that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them. (clarification added)

Perhaps if I were in that that Chilean miner's place after recovering sufficiently from the bad effects of being trapped under ground for over two months, and realizing what is really happening in our world today, I would say:

"It's only when we finally realize that the kind of life being lived more and more here on earth is getting worse and worse, that we will want to change our way of living so that we can get ourselves closer to God and receive the protection only He can give."

I now suggest that you review one of my past posts which will help you get the big picture of what is happening on earth in our day and which will eventually (before very long) lead us to the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Neil Birch's Post 39s
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I am now providing you with a link to an Internet page where you will be able to choose what General Conference Speeches you might choose to experience.

(You may perhaps want to view one or two of these important spiritual messages each day until you have reviewed all of them. I may continue providing this link in each of my blog posts I publish during this month of October 2010.)

October General Conference of 2010 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


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I deeply appreciate your readership and hope you found very beneficial that which was presented to you in this blog post.

If you have any questions about what you have read or viewed in this post or in any previous posts of mine, or if you even have a curiosity about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and or its teachings, please e-mail me. I'm Neil and my e-mail address is: jneilmelva@gmail.com. If you contact me I'll get back to you just as soon as possible.

I invite you to let your friends and relatives know about this blog if you think they would be interested. Please be advised that I also have an additional blog. It is in Spanish: Its content is translated from the English in this blog.

Neil Birch

41m Mormon and Moroni Were Assigned by Jesus Christ to Prepare the Book of Mormon for Future Translation. Moroni's Role #5

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Special Note: In this particular post I have inserted the link you could click on to continue (or begin in the case of some of you viewers) viewing speeches from the 180th Semi-Annual Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please scroll down to the seventh paragraph from the end of this post!

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TODAY'S THEME

Painting: Del Parson                                                 

    Painting: Tom Lovell           

Jesus Christ Speaks with Moroni

Ether 12: 23 And I said unto him: Lord, the Gentiles will mock at these things, because of our weakness in writing; for Lord thou hast made us mighty in word by faith, but thou hast not made us mighty in writing; for thou hast made all this people that they could speak much, because of the Holy Ghost which thou hast given them;

24 And thou hast made us that we could write but little, because of the awkwardness of our hands. Behold, thou hast not made us mighty in writing like unto the brother of Jared, for thou madest him that the things which he wrote were mighty even as thou art, unto the overpowering of man to read them.

25 Thou hast also made our words powerful and great, even that we cannot write them; wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words.

26 And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness;

27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

28 Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness, and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me—the fountain of all righteousness.

29 And I, Moroni, having heard these words, was comforted, and said: O Lord, thy righteous will be done, for I know that thou workest unto the children of men according to their faith; (emphasis added)

Joseph Smith, who translated the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, by the power of God, and those of faith who humbly read it, have (or will have) learned of its truthfulness and be guided in their lives by its great teachings. Thank you Dear Moroni! And Thank you Dear Mormon! Thank You most of all, Dear Lord!

Painting: Del ParsonJoseph Smith Translating the Plates

I, Neil Birch, am deeply touched by the words from Ether 12 quoted above. I love Moroni and his father, Mormon, for their great devotion to the Lord in bringing about this great book. The Book of Mormon was and still is and will continue to be, a key part of the Lord's Latter-day Work in preparing a people to greet Him and the Hosts of Heaven as they descend from the sky on that great day!

Painting: Harry Anderson

The Second Coming

From the very beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, was a very powerful tool in the hands of missionaries called to serve in various places in the United States as it was constituted in that day.

By 1837 the Lord, through His Prophet, Joseph Smith, had called several members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to open missionary work across the Atlantic Ocean in England. Of course, the Book of Mormon became a very important part of the Lord's work there.

 

Photograph: Alex ander L. Baugh

The River Ribble Near Preston, England

On Saturday evening, 29 July, 1837 the Mormon missionaries agreed to baptize fifteen of the eager investigators the following morning in the River Ribble near the tram bridge. There the small but tempestuous rapids on one side of the river partly swirled into a quiet eddy, creating a beautiful pool, edged by a grassy slope. Farther back were large weeping willows and bushes.

Accounts are not clear as to how the missionaries would select the first person to be baptized in England. However, Elder Heber C. Kimball, of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who led the mission, recorded this:

A circumstance took place which I cannot refrain from mentioning, for it will show the eagerness and the anxiety of some in that land to obey the gospel. Two of the male candidates, when they changed their clothes at a distance of several rods from the place where I was standing in the water, were so anxious to obey the Gospel that they ran with all their might to the water, each wishing to be baptized first. The younger, George D. Watt, being quicker of foot than the older, outran him, and came first into the water.

It so happens that the older of the two foot racers at that first LDS baptism in England was 53 year old Henry Clegg who thus became the second person baptized in England. He is one of my wife, Melva Giles Birch's ancestors. He remained faithful to The Lord and to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to the end of his life. Most all of his descendants know all about that footrace to try to become the first person baptized into the church in England.

You have just learned about the first baptism of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in England. Thousands upon thousands of members of the church there before long moved to the United States of America, especially in the early years of the Church.

In this the Twenty First Century, the Church is very strong in England. One important indicator of that is that for a good number of years there have been temples there. This is an indication that the Church is firmly strong in that great nation. I'm sure the Prophets Mormon and Moroni are pleased that the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ has a an important role in the growth of the Lord's Church in that Land.

London England Temple

Preston England Temple

The scripture used as TODAY'S THEME of this post is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest of all scriptures. Therefore, after having given you the opportunity of reading seven of the forty one verses in that chapter, I'm now giving you the opportunity of reading and listening to all 41 verses of it. You won't regret choosing to do so!

After you have clicked on this scripture electronically you can choose, if you would like to do so, to listen to it also.

Ether 12:1-41

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You now will be given the opportunity to review, or perhaps with some of you, view for the first time, speeches from the 180th Semi-Annual Church General Conference held October 2nd and 3rd, 2010 in the Church's Conference Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. I copied this from my just previous blog post: 41l.

I am now providing you with a link to an Internet page where you will be able to choose what General Conference Speeches you choose to experience. To view the speeches you desire to view, click on one of the two buttons labeled "Watch". (The left hand button is the one I suggest you click on unless you know what the other button provides and know you want that.

You may perhaps want to view one or two of these important spiritual messages each day until you have reviewed all of them. I may continue providing this link in each of my blog posts I publish during this month of October 2010.

October 2010 General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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TO ACCESS NEIL BIRCH'S BLOG INDEX To Either Read the Full Index Item Which Refers To This Blog Post, (Or An Item Which Refers To Any Other Blog Post You May Desire To Access): After Reading All of This Paragraph Please Click on the Following: Mormon and Moroni Were Assigned by Jesus Christ, Moroni's Role #5.- Post 41m When You See the Picture of Our Savior Jesus Christ Sitting Next To A Little Boy, Please, Scroll Down In The Index To Your Target Item Or Use The Alphabetic Scrolling Device (When It Has Been Installed.)

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I deeply appreciate your readership and hope you found very beneficial, that which was presented to you in this blog post.

If you have any questions about what you have read or viewed in this post or in any previous posts of mine, or if you even have a curiosity about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and or its teachings, please e-mail me. I'm Neil and my e-mail address is: jneilmelva@gmail.com. If you contact me I'll get back to you just as soon as possible.

I invite you to let your friends and relatives know about this blog if you think they would be interested. Please be advised that I also have an additional blog. It is in Spanish: Its content is translated from the English in this blog.

Neil Birch

 The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ

41l - The 180th Semi-Annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Was a Success!

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TODAY'S THEME

This is a view of the LDS Church's Conference Center located in Salt Lake City, Utah (U.S.A.) In this view it is empty but please let me help you comprehend the hugeness of it: When it was being constructed a number of years ago we were told in the local newspapers that a huge Boeing 747 Jet Liner would fit within the area you see in this photograph. Please click on the picture of it above to see an enlarged version of this photo.

You now will be given the opportunity to review, or perhaps in some cases, view for the first time, speeches from the 180th Semi-Annual Church General Conference held October 2nd and 3rd in the Church's Conference Center in Salt Lake City, Utah.

I am now providing you with a link to an Internet page where you will be able to choose what General Conference Speeches you choose to experience. To view the speeches you desire to view, click on one of the two buttons labeled "Watch". (The left hand button is the one I suggest you click on. You may want to begin with President Thomas S. Monson's opening address. You can go from there. Or You can start with any other speeches you desire to view or you could just choose to listen or to read.

General Conference Sessions

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This website is not owned by or affiliated with the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). The views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the position of the Church.

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TO ACCESS NEIL BIRCH'S BLOG INDEX To Either Read the Full Index Item Which Refers To This Blog Post, (Or An Item Which Refers To Any Other Blog Post You May Desire To Access): After Reading All of This Paragraph Please Click on the Following: 180th Semi-Annual General Conference of the LDS Church was a Success! - Post 41l. When You See the Picture of Our Savior Jesus Christ Sitting Next To A Little Boy, Please, Scroll Down In The Index To Your Target Item Or Use The Alphabetic Scrolling Device (When It Has Been Installed.)
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I deeply appreciate your readership and hope you found very beneficial that which was presented to you in this blog post.

If you have any questions about what you have read or viewed in this post or in any previous posts of mine, or if you even have a curiosity about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and or its teachings, please e-mail me. I'm Neil and my e-mail address is: jneilmelva@gmail.com. If you contact me I'll get back to you just as soon as possible.

I invite you to let your friends and relatives know about this blog if you think they would be interested. Please be advised that I also have an additional blog. It is in Spanish: Its content is translated from the English in this blog.

Neil Birch

41k - Mormon and Moroni's Roles In Bringing About the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ!

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The Brother of Jared Sees the Finger of the Lord -by Arnold Friberg

6 And it came to pass that when the brother of Jared had said these words, behold, the Lord stretched forth his hand and touched the stones one by one with his finger. And the veil was taken from off the eyes of the brother of Jared, and he saw the finger of the Lord; and it was as the finger of a man, like unto flesh and blood; and the brother of Jared fell down before the Lord, for he was struck with fear.

7 And the Lord saw that the brother of Jared had fallen to the earth; and the Lord said unto him: Arise, why hast thou fallen?

8 And he saith unto the Lord: I saw the finger of the Lord, and I feared lest he should smite me; for I knew not that the Lord had flesh and blood.

 9 And the Lord said unto him: Because of thy faith thou hast seen that I shall take upon me flesh and blood; and never has man come before me with such exceeding faith as thou hast; for were it not so ye could not have seen my finger. Sawest thou more than this?

10 And he answered: Nay; Lord, show thyself unto me.

11 And the Lord said unto him: Believest thou the words which I shall speak?

12 And he answered: Yea, Lord, I know that thou speakest the truth, for thou art a God of truth, and canst not lie.

13 And when he had said these words, behold, the Lord showed himself unto him, and said: Because thou knowest these things ye are redeemed from the fall; therefore ye are brought back into my presence; therefore I show myself unto you.

14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters. (emphasis added)

The Brother of Jared Sees the Finger of the Lord. Those are words of Great Doctrinal Significance! Please go back right now and read again all fourteen of those verses from the Book of Mormon.

In verse fourteen (14) just above, The pre-mortal Savior, Jesus Christ sums up His great Plan of Salvation in just a few precise words. I repeat them so you can more carefully read and understand them better:

14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.

That which you have just read twice is very significant Gospel Doctrine which is clearly stated in this important passage from the Book of Ether, one of the sub-books within the Book of Mormon! The pre-mortal Jesus Christ told the Brother of Jared and each of the readers of the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ which testifies so strongly and clearly of Him throughout its entirety!

I now invite you to read while listening to a Clarifying eighteen verse section of the Book of Mormon entitled: The Words of Mormon which comes just before the Book of Mosiah. Please click on the link found below and after the scripture comes on your screen, please click on the word Listen, found on the upper left-hand corner of your screen.

When the scripture comes onto your screen, please click on the light blue 1 that will be in the upper middle of your screen. Then scroll up some on the left side of your screen and click on the word Listen. You will then hear the narrator's voice reading this scripture. After the scripture reading ends, please click on the left-pointing white arrow in a blue circle. That will return you to this post at this point!

The Words of Mormon

After having requested that you read and listen to all that is contained in the Words of Mormon, I call your attention to several specific things that the Prophet Mormon told us in that important scripture: Words of Mormon: 4-9

 4 And the things which are upon these plates pleasing me, because of the prophecies of the coming of Christ; and my fathers knowing that many of them have been fulfilled; yea, and I also know that as many things as have been prophesied concerning us down to this day have been fulfilled, and as many as go beyond this day must surely come to pass—

5 Wherefore, I chose these things, to finish my record upon them, which remainder of my record I shall take from the plates of Nephi; and I cannot write the hundredth part of the things of my people.

6 But behold, I shall take these plates, which contain these prophesyings and revelations, and put them with the remainder of my record, for they are choice unto me; and I know they will be choice unto my brethren.

7 And I do this for a wise purpose; for thus it whispereth me, according to the workings of the Spirit of the Lord which is in me. And now, I do not know all things; but the Lord knoweth all things which are to come; wherefore, he worketh in me to do according to his will.

8 And my prayer to God is concerning my brethren, that they may once again come to the knowledge of God, yea, the redemption of Christ; that they may once again be a delightsome people.

9 And now I, Mormon, proceed to finish out my record, which I take from the plates of Nephi; and I make it according to the knowledge and the understanding which God has given me.

 Dear Blog Readers, I have highlighted two verses above in order to call your attention to how the Prophet Mormon, by the Spirit of Prophecy and Revelation
knew that he was to include the writings of the early Nephite prophets which he found on those small plates. That happened in about A.D. 385 or about 351 years after our Resurrected Savior, Jesus Christ had visited the Nephite Nation, teaching and setting up his Church among them.

In our Book of Mormon we do not have the Book of Lehi. Either the Prophet Joseph Smith or one of the three main persons who wrote the words as he spoke them under the guidance of Heavenly means, tells us that is the name of the book which was translated first. We don't have that book in our present day Book of Mormon nor was it in any previous edition of the Book of Mormon.

It would have been the 116 manuscript pages that were written by Martin Harris as Joseph Smith dictated the words he received under inspiration from God.
As you may have learned previously from my blog posts or from your own reading, Martin Harris asked Joseph Smith for permission to take those pages (which were from the Book of Lehi) to show his wife who believed that her husband was waisting their time and money on an inconsequential matter. With that causing much tension in their marital relationship, Martin wanted to convince his wife that he was involved in a worthy effort!

Joseph inquired of the Lord three times and each of the first two times was told by the Lord that he shouldn't grant Martin Harris the request he had made. After the third request the Lord gave Joseph permission to allow Martin to take those manuscript pages back to Palmyra, New York which was about 65 miles North of Harmony, Pennsylvania where the translating had been taking place.

We can be sure that the Lord knew exactly what was going to take happen, but allowed what the Prophet Joseph Smith had requested of him. One evidence of the truth of that is that which is written in verses six and seven in the Words of Mormon. I suggest that you scroll up (just like I just did) and read those two verses again and then scroll back down to this point.

From what you just read in those two verses I'm sure you can see that the Lord God knew that those records which contained such precious matters would be much needed in the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

But what about the Book of Lehi which covered the same time span as did the writings contained in the Small Plates of Nephi? The fact is that many centuries before while Mormon was deliberating what to do about those Small Plates of Nephi, the Lord knew even then by His all knowing ability that the Book of Lehi would be lost! Here is Just a small aside of mine regarding the Prophet Mormon:

Such great dedication the Prophet Mormon showed in his assignment given him by the Lord! And again, he possessed and used the Spirit of Prophecy and Revelation which is something that every worthy member of the Lord's Church anciently and today is entitled to access!

 Continuing with my relating to you that which occurred regarding the 116 manuscript pages that Martin Harris had written as the Prophet Joseph Smith dictated each of those words under the inspiration of Our God.

To sum up: the Prophet Joseph Smith, to his great dismay and disappointment was told by Martin Harris that those 116 manuscript pages were not in their family safe where he had put them. Most likely his wife, Lucy had given them to someone.

All of this was very upsetting to the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Lord chastised him for having given into Martin Harris's persuasions. Joseph did that even though the Lord had told him several times not to allow Martin to take those manuscript pages home to Palmyra. However, he did so only after the Lord finally gave him permission to do so!

Now each of us need to recall that the Lord knew there was a solution to the problem. Remember what the Prophet Mormon said in verses six and seven of the Words of Mormon!

It appears that the Prophet Joseph Smith repented of his having given in to the persuasions of Martin Harris and was allowed to continue translating under the inspiration of Heavenly Father until the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ was fully translated and subsequently published and continues to this day and way beyond to serve its very important role in the Lord's Latter-day work!

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41i Preparing to Experience The 180th Semi-Annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints On October 2 & 3, 2010

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TODAY'S THEME

The Lord Jesus Christ -by Heinrich Hofmann

Isaiah 2:2-3 (Also, II Nephi 12: 2-3) And it shall come to pass in the last days, that (when) the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 

The Resurrected Jesus Christ Appears to Those Nephites Who Survived -by John Scott

When teaching the Nephite people of ancient Central America after his resurrection and appearance to them, our, and their savior, Jesus Christ, instructed them:

3 Nephi 23: 1 AND now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to search these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah.

2 For surely he spake as touching all things concerning my people which are of the house of Israel; therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles. (emphasis added)

Note: The teachings of Isaiah are found both in the Book of Isaiah in our Old Testament and also in II Nephi of the Book of Mormon. Therefore, Nephi the son of Lehi was able to make his quote from Isaiah from the Plates of Brass which he had obtained from Laban's servant, Zoram.

 After Nephi and his three brothers had returned from Jerusalem to the wilderness where their family was waiting for them, Lehi and his family and their future descendants would have continuing access to the Book of Isaiah which was contained, along with many other scriptures, in the Plates of Brass.  

Isaiah speaks of the Lord's House being established in the "Top of the Mountains."

Any of you who have been to the state of Utah located in the Western part of the United States of America will realize that Isaiah could have been speaking of the area where Salt Lake City, Utah is located.

It is here, in that city that the Semi-annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will be held on October 2nd and 3rd, 2010.

During this General Conference, speakers will be chosen from among the General Authorities of this church. Its prophet, Thomas S. Monson, his two counselors, and all the members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles will be among the speakers in the four sessions of Conference which are televised and linked to the Internet.Here is a view of the huge interior of the Conference Center Auditorium:

During the 180th Semi-Annual Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints you will hear many important spiritual messages. Among those you will hear, apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ and other leaders of His church will bear personal witness regarding our Savior's Life, Atonement, Resurrection and Eventual Return to Earth to rule and reign during the Great Millenium.

Here are some excerpts from previous conference addresses where apostles and our present prophet have born witness of our Savior, Jesus Christ. These addresses  have been made into a short video. You can expect such witnessing to take place during this General Conference.

Excerpts From Previous General Conference Addresses


Although there are many serious moments during LDS Church General Conferences such as was the case during the testimony bearing you have just viewed, there are also times of reverent laughter and times of rejoicing because of our being privileged to live in this time in history when the Lord's Church has been Restored (Re-established). General conferences are joyful events!

There are a good number of times when all of those participating in General Conference through whatever means; in person, by television or by the Internet and even by radio, can enjoy the special experience of hearing the World Renown Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing at the Sunday morning session of each Conference. If you have never heard them sing I would be surprised. They have toured the world a good number of times over the years. They really are an important part of every General Conference.

(Please read my comment on this choir's regular Sunday Morning Broadcasts near the end of this post!)

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir Performs So Well!

 "Abide With Me; 'Tis Even Tide" (Accompanied by the Orchestra on Temple Square. (Arrangement by: Barlow Bradford) The Choir is not seen in this recording. The words of the song are shown on the screen with pictures of scenes depicted in the words of the song, from time to time. Or you can choose the following (or both):

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir

"Abide With Me; 'Tis Even Tide" Accompanied by the Salt Lake Tabernacle Organ (Arrangement by: Crawford Gates) In this recording the Choir is shown throughout.
Here is another conference talk that has been converted into a video:

Elder Quentin L. Cook's Conference Talk, "Hope Ya Know, We had a Hard Time."

This next very short and cleverly written song is a special treat for you that helps you know a little about each one of the members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

The Apostles' Song

In this final portion of this blog post I will assist you to know how to connect to the General Conference sessions of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which will be broadcast on October 2, and 3, 2010. If you know you cannot connect with that conference by TV, I suggest you use your computer's Internet. In that case please follow these directions:

Note: At this time please just read these steps, do not take them now. As you read these four steps you will be instructed to print them. After they are printed you will be able to use your printed guide to take each of those steps toward viewing General Conference over the Internet.

[ Step 1: Please print these four steps. In case you need help in printing: I suggest that you select, using your cursor, this portion of this post of mine (from Step 1) down to the end of Step #4. Then, after holding down the Alt key, tap on (the -f-key and then on the p key) Then click on Preferences, and then indicate you want it printed on two sides of the paper if your printer can do that. When the Printer Guide comes onto your screen please click on the word, selection, that will be on the printer's guide. And then on that same printer guide on your screen, click on print. your selection will then be printed for you so you will have these instructions in front of you to follow when you are ready to proceed.

Step 2: Make sure your computer is connected to a media player! If it is connected to one you should see its logo on your Internet home page. Usually it will be at the bottom of that page. If you need to connect to a media player, you may have to check with Google or what ever Internet system you are using to have them help you find a suitable media player.

Step 3: Please click on the following: http://www.lds.org/ In the center column of the page which comes up after clicking on that, you will see, just under the blue view in which the Christus statue is shown, the title:

Oct. 2010 General Conference:

Step 4: Please scroll down a few lines from that title to the link: Live Audio and video streams After clicking on that link you will be helped to know in exact details how General Conference can be experienced by you in several different ways.]

(Even though General Conference may be just a day or two away, you probably ought to practice doing what you will do when Conference Day has arrived.) You will be led through the steps you must take to view and listen to the General Conference Sessions. Many of you most likely don't need these detailed instructions. You are much more knowledgeable about these matters than I am.
As promised above here is some information about the Mormon Tabernacle Choir which may interest you:  It was announced on August 4, 2010 that their radio broadcasts had been voted into the National (U.S.A.) Radio Hall of Fame!

"Music and the Spoken Word" featuring the Mormon Tabernacle Choir has been produced on Sunday mornings for more than 80 years. This broadcast originates from Salt Lake City, Utah, Radio Station KSL - AM (1160) and FM (102.7). It is broadcast simultaneously on KSL TV from 9:30 - 10:00 a.m. (Mountain Time)

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I deeply appreciate your readership and very much hope you you will find that which was presented to you in this blog post, very beneficial.
If you have any questions about what you have read or viewed in this post or in any previous posts of mine, or if you even have a curiosity about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and or its teachings, please e-mail me. I'm Neil and my e-mail address is: jneilmelva@gmail.com. If you contact me I'll get back to you just as soon as possible.

I invite you to let your friends and relatives know about this blog if you think they would be interested. Please be advised that I also have an additional blog. It is in Spanish:  Its content is translated from the English in this blog.

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41h - The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ. Part XIII, The Resurrected Jesus Christ Testifies of Himself To The Nephites!

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Jesus the Christ -by Heinrich Hofmann



As I explained in my just previous blog post, I'm extending this current blog series in order to include more actions and statements of our Savior, Jesus Christ as recorded by the Nephites just before and during His visits with them in the Western Hemisphere after His resurrection.

I have attempted to gear these additional posts to helping us focus on what our Redeemer Jesus Christ had to say soon after His resurrection, by both the spoken word and by His actions among the more righteous portion of the descendants of Father Lehi and their ancestor, Joseph, Who Was Sold Into Egypt, which testify to us of His, Jesus, being the Resurrected Son of God.

Ever since their departure from Jerusalem and along their arduous journey on the edge of one of the world's most formidable deserts, then, while actually crossing a portion of that desert



Nephi Crossing One of the Worlds Most challenging deserts with Family, Relatives and One Potential Foe Who Became a Friend -by Scott Snow

and then additionally, at least at one difficult time, a treacherous ocean to reach what is believed to be Central America, Father Lehi's group went through many severe trials and much tribulation.



Lehi and His People Arrive in the Promised Land -by Arnold Friberg

They were a divided nation in many respects, right from the beginning with the rebelliousness of Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael countering the righteous and proven leadership of Lehi's fourth oldest son, Nephi who was supported in his leadership by their father whom Nephi respected and honored.

Other than (Loyal to Nephi), Sam and then younger brothers after they were born during their journey across one of the most difficult deserts in the world, Jacob and Joseph, Nephi's two oldest brothers were always quick to point out that Nephi was their younger brother.

Nephi Rebuking His Rebellious Brothers -by Arnold Friberg

Reading the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, from its beginning to the Book of Third Nephi shows us that the struggle between righteousness and wickedness was quite constant among the two basic groups of Lehi's descendants, the Nephites and Lamanites.

I believe that successfully facing those challenges served to produce a portion of Lehi's people who were fully prepared for the visit from their Redeemer whose coming had been regularly prophesied for about six centuries among them.

The Book of Mormon also has something to say about what happens to those who failed to prepare for His visit. You will learn of this in this post.

I believe that you and I will learn something about true spiritual preparedness that could apply to and help us from what we experience as we now delve into that which is presented in this post.

I also believe that you and I will learn from the experience of the Nephite people, that true spiritual preparation has very much to do with "having a broken heart and a contrite spirit" (I urge you to remember that phrase and recognize it when the Savior uses it in the second chapter you will read, and listen to, in this post- III Nephi 9:20).

 We all should strive to live in accordance with that sacred phrase rather than being content to being proud of our, so thought, more spiritual accomplishments and abilities.

I searched hard for a picture which would help you feel what the more righteous Nephites were feeling after having witnessed a "great cataclysm of nature"* that killed many of their people and caused extraordinary destruction in their land. I couldn't find such a picture in lds.org nor even from Google Search.

What I discovered, and I'm very grateful for this actually, is that our just reading the words written by the Prophet Nephi who lived in A.D. 34 (and chosen and transcribed later in about 400 A.D. by the Prophet Mormon), can never come close to fully impacting us as much as when we simultaneously read and listen to this particular Nephi's inspired words you will be reading and listening to by the lds.org scripture reader's voice. To me, his reading came with much feeling, particularly in chapter 8.

I believe that doing so gives us special images of what was occurring that no picture could fully equal.

You may have noticed that I placed quote marks around the words, "a great cataclysm of nature," above. I and other LDS writers have used that term to describe that which caused such extraordinary destruction among the Nephites, but after reading and listening to the three chapters of the Book of Mormon to which I will soon link you, I would like you to tell me what our Resurrected Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ tells us concerning, what and who caused this great destruction to fall upon this Nephite Nation.

You may have also noticed that I mentioned you will be reading three chapters one after the other. I made that decision to suggest your doing that only after reading recently all three of them myself, one after the other. My experience shows that your experience will be magnified many times by reading them one after another.

I'm sure that you readers of this blog are very busy people and perhaps you often just glance at a few things that I have written in any one of my blog posts. In view of that, I timed how long it takes to hear the lds.org reader read through these three chapters. It takes only sixteen minutes and seven seconds to read and listen to all three chapters, back to back. I suggest that you evaluate what time you have available to you right now. If reading and listening that long would take more time than you have available right now, I suggest you schedule a time later today to get back into this blog and have this special experience.

Even though you may, as is true in my case, have read and listened to each of these chapters many times before separately, I'm sure you will have a special experience reading them one after another. That experience can be facilitated by your asking your Heavenly Father to touch you with His Spirit as you prepare to read and listen (You must click on the word listen, on the upper left hand corner of the page that comes onto the screen, in order to listen) to each of these three Book of Mormon Chapters, one after the other.

III Nephi Chapter Eight

III Nephi Chapter Nine

III Nephi Chapter Ten

In your reading and listening to Chapter 9, did you find what the Savior told the Nephites about "having a broken heart and a contrite spirit?" Earlier in that same chapter did you notice that our Savior took personal responsibility for causing the great destruction which took place? An example:

III Nephi 9:3 Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. (emphasis added)

That was just one example of about ten such cases where Jesus Christ states that He brought about these particular deadly disasters. In one of those passages He tells of their specific wickedness and explains thus:

Verse 8, . . and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and saints should not come up any more unto me against them. (emphasis added)

I suggest that you will be hard pressed to find anything that has been written about Jesus Christ, our Savior and Redeemer that is more dynamic than than that which you will have read today in this post. However, there are passages in the Gospels of the New Testament that are equally dynamic.

My next blog post in this series will be published in five days.

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Now again as I have done in several previous posts, I quote an LDS Scholar about his findings from research he has done: (Let me just briefly note that after your intense and hopefully very spiritual experience reading and listening to the three chapters of the Book of Mormon I provided for you, you will firmly support Dr. Givens in the stands he takes regarding the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ!

Dr. Terryl L. Givens

I am quoting from his book, BY THE HAND OF MORMON, Published by OXFORD, University Press (2002) Pages 183-184

For criticism of the Book of Mormon to be sufficient to impugn its status as scripture, those criticisms must touch upon questions of origin, not accuracy. Certainly inexplicable anachronisms, wildly implausible scenarios, obvious nineteenth-century imports, and the like would challenge its divine authorship. But it will not do to establish an imperfection and consider the case resolved, as many currently seem wont to do.

As an early LDS publication declared,

"Besides, so much depends on an answer to the question, Is the story of its origin true or not: For, on the one hand, if it is not true, then the entire structure of Mormonism is built on a false foundation; and, on the other hand, it it is true, it becomes the strongest physical evidence for the authenticity of Joseph Smith's teachings."

Church enemies agreed. Inveterate anti-Mormon Symonds Ryder wrote in 1831 that "if a man once opens his heart to receive the Book of Mormon as a divine record, he is also under the necessity of receiving whatever Joseph Smith, Jr. is pleased to proscribe [sic] by way of commandment.

Some LDS scholars allege that Book of Mormon defender B.H. Roberts was wrong in this regard, that it is simply untrue that if the Book of Mormon "could be proved to be other than it claims to be, ... then the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. . . must fall." As evidence, one such critic invokes the example of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS, a small branch--numbering some few hundred thousands by the 1990s--formally organized in 1860 largely of members who rejected the leadership of Brigham Young at the time of the exodus westward). In the 1960s, some members of that group challenged the factualness and literalism of their scripture. As a consequence, their church leaders "soft-pedaled the Book of Mormon in church curricula and publications; but this critic's expressed hope that the Utah church will follow this "wise practice" seems hopelessly naive and historically oblivious, both to the scripture's particular roles in Mormon religious life and practice and to the fate of the more progressive offshoot church. For simultaneous with a de-emphasis on the Book of Mormon, there had to necessarily follow a de-emphasis on its translator. And indeed, by the time of that critic's recommendation, the RLDS were already downplaying the founding epiphanies of the Prophet Joseph, calling them "religious experiences" rather than visions of angelic visitations. As for the Book of Mormon itself, the RLDS have gone beyond de-emphasis to virtual repudiation. In one Utah congregation a minister was removed in 1991 for repeatedly "emphasizing the Book of Mormon in his worship meetings" and mentioning Joseph Smith's name over the pulpit" in spite of warnings to desist. The eventual outcome of such a policy is not surprising. By April of the year 2000, delegates to their world conference voted to rename their church the "Community of Christ," thus severing their last link to a long history rooted in visions, prophecies, glorious angels, and gold plates.

There is no reason to suspect that a comparable move is likely with the Mormons--or that if it were, it would be any less a prelude to Protestant assimilation than has proven to be the case with the RLDS. Whether such assimilation would constitute the fall of the church or an enlightened rebirth may be an open question. But it would not be a church either B.H. Roberts or Joseph Smith would recognize."
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I deeply appreciate your readership and hope you found very beneficial, that which was presented to you in this blog post.

I invite you to let your friends and relatives know about this blog if you think they would be interested. Please be advised that I also have an additional blog. It is in Spanish:  Its content is translated from the English in this blog.If you have any questions about what you have read or viewed in this post or in any previous posts of mine, or if you even have a curiosity about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and or its teachings, please e-mail me.

I'm Neil and my e-mail address is: jneilmelva@gmail.com. If you contact me I'll get back to you just as soon as possible.